Sunday, September 19, 2010

The Deep Depths of Relevancy: A Response

We have been recently deluged with comments regarding a post on our blog from the end of July. It was about the Cornerstone Music Festival and the way the festival and bands are trying to attract people to the event. I cannot answer each one personally as most were posted anonymously. It seems better to start with a new post to answer questions as opposed to creating a long comments thread.

First, I stated that Texas Chainsaw Massacre was shown at the festival and was accused of lying. I got my information from a person who attended the festival. It is an eyewitness account. I assume that the movie was part of an evening as described by the Cornerstone website where they showed movies that were “not kid friendly.” They describe them as “movies your mother warned you about and that you watched anyway.” So that is where I got my info.
Next, most of the comments were negative against my assessment of the band Grave Robber. They are a band who dress in costumes that make them look like they are decomposing corpses. In the comments, many claim that the band is reaching a horror-punk subculture in a way that no one else can.

The question is, does the end justify the means? Do we really need to become more and more like the world in order to reach the world? Isn’t the very nature of a Christian one who has been saved from the world and is no longer a slave to the world and to sin and to the flesh? Grave Robber is trying to be like the world. They promote the fact that some of their influences include Alice Cooper, Type O Negative, GWAR, and Black Sabbath. So, in essence, they are saying “We are like those sinful things that your sinful flesh desires.” They are taking the worst of the world and trying to Christianize it. At the same time, they are giving credence to the very bands they mentioned. They do not speak against them but try to emulate them. And on a personal note, I know these bands well. I was a big fan of Type O Negative at one point, and they are not anything to try and emulate. Why do we need a poor, Christianized version of something evil?

Trying to use the world and its ways to attract people is against scripture itself. Here are a few: ". . . do not be conformed to this world. . ." -Romans 12:2. "Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ." -Colossians 2:8. "Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him." -1 John 2:15. "For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God." -1 Corinthians 3:19.
We just produced a video on this subject that may be helpful to you. http://vimeo.com/15035465. Please watch it and remember that it is not based on what we think but what scripture says.

Next, some of the comments defended the sincerity and genuineness of the guys in Grave Robber. I am not saying anything against their sincerity or personal devotion. I do not know any of them. But as the old saying goes you can be sincere, yet sincerely wrong. Plus, even if someone was converted to Christ, the end does not justify the means. I rejoice over a conversion, but pragmatism is not the rule of thumb. Scripture is our only source of truth.

Some have questioned why I am against their celebration of death since death is natural and all around us. We do not rejoice in nor glorify death. Horror movies and zombies are unacceptable because they are not only glorifying death but glorifying death by entertainment. They also glorify the sin of murder. At this moment I can hear the argument of “Well, don’t we glory in the death of Jesus?”. Yes, but any such questions shall be ignored and not posted. There is great difference between the atoning sacrifice of our savior and the morbid fascination with murder and the death of sinners. Death is the result of sin. It should be preached but not gloried in.

Lastly, we will not allow comments that only call names or are rude or offensive. We don’t mind being disagreed with, but when someone resorts to name calling, we will keep it off our blog. I will respond to one comment, however, that resorted to such tactics. I was called a tie-wearing door-knocking do-gooder who would not have the guts to share Christ in a dark bar room at midnight on a Friday.” You apparently do not know me. First, I hate wearing ties. Secondly you envision me as a suit wearing fundamentalist. Funny. I am covered in tattoos as a result of the sinful lifestyle I had before Christ saved me. I know where this culture is. I was in it. As I said earlier, I loved bands such as Type O Negative. If you know anything about them, you know where I was. I was saved on my way to jail one afternoon. The sin I once loved I now hate. And as far as going to bars is concerned, I’ve been there too. I have been to bars in the middle of the night in order to share the gospel. I have labored with a fellow brother to bring the gospel to those folks because we were once one of them.

I urge the people who run Cornerstone and bands like Grave Robber to repent of trying to be worldly in order to reach the world. Don’t depend on gimmicks. Depend on the Sprit of God. Use scripture as your guide. Study the Word for yourself and seek wisdom from God.

8 comments:

  1. "But as the old saying goes you can be sincere, yet sincerely wrong."

    Amen brother! You are, "sincerely wrong."

    Trying to be worldly to reach the world? Isn't that exactly what Paul was doing, by using the statue of the unnamed god to reach the pagans?

    You are a coward for refusing to approve the comments of those who disagree with you.

    You are a coward for refusing to approve Grave Robber's official response, so that your readers could get THEIR side of the story.

    Based on the fruits of the Holy Spirit which the Bible says helps us identify our fellow Christians, you are not displaying any of them.

    Why should anyone trust your opinion over that of a band who has a proven track record of compassion, love, and selflessness? (That's right: they're more than willing to play free concerts in order to reach those kids you'd alienate.)

    You've lost your credibility, and are guilty of bearing false witness against a group of Christians whom you never even attempted to speak with.

    I can't even call you a scriptural Christian.

    P.S.- I choose to remain anonymous simply because I have no desire to register a user name with your publication. Perhaps if you'd stop censoring views that don't support your rhetoric, more of us would sign up to discuss with you in more detail.

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  2. You still seem to forget that the bible call christians to go to the world and bring his message to it. THIS IS WHAT THESE BANDS ARE DOING. Like it or not they are doing a good thing they are doing what God himself has called Christians to do. Sitting back and doing nothing is NOT doing what God asked us to do. And only taking his word to those in church, MOST OF WHICH ALREADY KNOW GOD, is not what we are called to do. Do you deny that the pharasee's critized Jesus for doing EXACTLY THE SAME TYPE OF THING AS GRAVE ROBBER? I appreciate what you are trying to do but dude YOU GOT IT WRONG. Is every band really a christian band? Well no there are some who are not in it for the right reasons but overall most of them are. Just cause you disagree with them is not a reason to judge and call them sinfull or being like the world. You greatly, imo, misinterpet the word of God.

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  3. Maybe your next attempt at a blog on this subject will be factual and less judgmental? Maybe even an apology? No, I doubt it. I'd like to see Cornerstone sue you for libel for your inaccurate statements. Your blogs have been forwarded to their attention.

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  4. I do urge you to read all of the words of Christ not just some.

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  5. Trying to be worldly to reach the world? Isn't that exactly what Paul was doing, by using the statue of the unnamed god to reach the pagans?

    You are a coward for refusing to approve the comments of those who disagree with you.

    You are a coward for refusing to approve Grave Robber's official response, so that your readers could get THEIR side of the story.

    Based on the fruits of the Holy Spirit which the Bible says helps us identify our fellow Christians, you are not displaying any of them.

    Why should anyone trust your opinion over that of a band who has a proven track record of compassion, love, and selflessness? (That's right: they're more than willing to play free concerts in order to reach those kids you'd alienate.)

    You've lost your credibility, and are guilty of bearing false witness against a group of Christians whom you never even attempted to speak with.

    I can't even call you a scriptural Christian.

    P.S.- I choose to remain anonymous simply because I have no desire to register a user name with your publication. Perhaps if you'd stop censoring views that don't support your rhetoric, more of us would sign up to discuss with you in more detail.

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  6. "When I am with the Gentiles who do not follow the Jewish law, I too live apart from that law so I can bring them to Christ. But I do not ignore the law of God; I obey the law of Christ... I become all things to all men, so that I might save some. I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings." 1 Corinthians 9:21-23

    “For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.” Matthew 7:2

    “When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, "Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and 'sinners'?".On hearing this, Jesus said, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. Matthew 9:11-12

    “I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard?” Galatians 3:2

    “One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables.” Romans 14:2

    “For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the measure of faith God has given you.” Romans 12:3

    “When they heard about the resurrection of the dead, some of them sneered, but others said, "We want to hear you again on this subject."” Acts 17:32

    “A group of Epicurean and Stoic philosophers began to dispute with him. Some of them asked, "What is this babbler trying to say?" Others remarked, "He seems to be advocating foreign gods." They said this because Paul was preaching the good news about Jesus and the resurrection.” Acts 17:18

    “"How can a man be born when he is old?" Nicodemus asked. "Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb to be born!"” John 3:4
    (this shows how not everyone understands all the Christian 'lingo' such as being born again)

    Shall I continue to “Use scripture as [my] guide. Study the Word for [my]self and seek wisdom from God.” or would you like me to only see through your point of view?

    “Screams Of The Voiceless”:
    You don’t have a voice
    But mommy has a choice
    To let you live or die
    Baby, baby, don’t you cry
    It’s murder in the first degree
    But she’ll walk away free
    Her nightmare’s lingering
    About an angel with a broken wing.

    Above is a sample of the lyrics from one of Grave Robber's songs. While they put on a show by dressing in costumes, everything they say and stand for brings glory to God. Let us not be judged by just our appearances (since you are “covered in tattoos” perhaps you can understand that an altered exterior does not necessarily mean an evil message).

    Grave Robber calls themselves "zombies" not to idealize the dead or our worldly bodies dieing, but to emphasize the fact that when we give our lives over to Jesus (become his followers), we become dead to this world and are risen into a new life. Like a zombie. hence the "Followers of The Re-animator (or Grave Robber since he has saved us from the grave)". I do not see how using analogies to help those who do not know all the Christian lingo (but know that a zombie is a person who died and lives again), to understand the discriminatory Love of our Jesus Christ.

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  7. Wonderful Christ led comment

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  8. Hey guys. This is going on on two blogs. I've had some complaints. Lets all move over to just one blog: http://realtruthmatters.com/blog/index.php?title=the-deep-depths-of-relevancy-a-response&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

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